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(warning, sexual abuse trigger, child abuse trigger))

I posted this on my facebook yesterday because I felt it important and I needed to get the message out. Important enough, and bad/sickening/horrifying enough that I'm posting it here as well.

And in all honesty, there are so many layers of WTF, I can't even begin to count them. What adult makes the judgement that a child's sexual organs are big enough, too big, or that they won't grow into them in time? WHY are we performing sexual mutilations on children? Why is an adult touching a 5 year old in a sensitive, sexual place with a vibratory device and not being arrested for as a pedophile? What... so may questions come bubbling out of my horrified brain that I can't type fast enough.

NO people. Just - hell. Just NO.

Date: 2010-06-19 09:51 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] demimonde
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ohhhh jesus christ i read that on jez.

Date: 2010-06-19 01:50 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] alabastard.livejournal.com
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Something even worse happened to me, over 40 years ago, and back then there was no one who'd speak up for the child, though my father tried. Took her dying apology for me to forgive my mother.

Date: 2010-06-19 02:19 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] mistressnaoko.livejournal.com
WTF. WTF. There are no words to describe this, really.

And I thought male circumcision was bad. This... this...

Date: 2010-06-19 10:02 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] darkenna.livejournal.com
Out of curiosity, why do you think that male circumcision is bad?

Date: 2010-06-19 10:09 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] mephron
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As a man, I'd like to just say I'd have liked a choice - or a medical reason - for the alteration. I mean, they had to ask permission to rip an organ out of me, and it would have been nice to be old enough to answer affirmatively or negatively about my wang getting altered.

(the organ in question was the gall bladder, and I had severe gallstones that cused me much pain, but still. they needed my permission.)

Date: 2010-06-20 10:44 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] darkenna.livejournal.com
Well, there initially was a very valid medical reason for the circumcision tradition (like most Hebrew traditions & Kosher laws, like not mixing fabrics or eating pork). I, personally, feel that just because we now know a ton about what causes things like bacterial infections (or allergic reactions or trichinosis), it doesn't invalidate the traditions created by them. I may not follow said traditions, but I do understand them.

Given how the majority of youths generally react to most things involving cleanliness, circumcision still makes a fair amount of medical sense (unless you also think parents should be inspecting their sons' "wangs" for cleanliness daily, right on up through the teenage years). The best time to perform it is still right after childbirth, while the infant is still in shock over that bit of really intense trauma.

As for me, being circumcised has certainly never affected me in any sort of negative way (my penis still performs it's physical functions and transmits all the... ummm... sensations I could possibly desire). And, given that I was indeed one of those youths who couldn't have cared less about being clean, it probably saved me a whole lot of troubles and discomforts.

Even for medical treatment, to this day the medical establishment doesn't need your permission to perform procedures on you... only your legal guardian's. For minors and infants, this usually means the parents.

On topic, but slightly askew...

Date: 2010-06-20 10:52 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] darkenna.livejournal.com
I wonder, if a small surgical procedure suddenly became available for girls that would keep women from ever getting yeast infections (which, just like the infections that can fester under the foreskin, are usually caused by a combination of cleanliness levels and diet) and did not affect their... umm, abilities to perform and be fulfilled as women, but it was highly traumatic to perform on adults while not so on infants, would it be subject to the same sort of general backlash that circumcision seems to be receiving these days?

Note: This is entirely hypothetical. I know of no such procedure. However, I do know several women who would happily undergo it anyway, traumatic or not; so if such a thing does exist, please let me know.

Date: 2010-06-20 02:36 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] mistressnaoko.livejournal.com
Ah I should have made it clearer.

I don't think it's bad, but I have heard a lot of people complaining about how the male circumcision was done against their will/without their knowledge. Similar to what happened here.

Except the repercussions of this one is... huge.

Date: 2010-06-20 10:27 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] darkenna.livejournal.com
Well, you can add me to the (short?) list of non-complainers.

Date: 2010-06-21 12:57 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] mistressnaoko.livejournal.com
Ah yay!

I come from a country where male circumcision is a religious matter, so the outcry over it is surprising. But female circumcision on the other hand... >>

Date: 2010-06-19 03:34 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] snicks-chan.livejournal.com
And then there's this. I truly do feel that there are some cultural practices which we can look at and say "No. No, that is not okay under any circumstances." regardless of which culture we personally belong to. Some things are just that horrific. Like, oh, sati. Because these aren't traditions. They're methods of control.

(ditto the Jez comment above)


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